What has Isiah Thomas done now?

by ailanthus altissima on August 10, 2009 at 2:29 pm
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Drawn by the lure of the Thomas

Drawn by the lure of the Thomas

I’ve been trying to think of a way to open this story up and failing, so I’m just going to jump in head first. Dominique Ferguson, a top twenty recruit, has committed to Florida International University this week. Well, let me be a little clearer: Dominique Ferguson, a top twenty recruit (top ten if you listen to ESPN, and here’s a heads up, don’t listen to ESPN), has committed to Isiah Thomas this week. Ok true, for now it’s only a verbal, but Ferguson promises to make it official come November. And now to explain why it matters: mid-majors rarely win recruiting battles with perennial powerhouses.

To back up a little, let me tell the tale of Ferguson. He was recruited hard by Billy Gillespie while he was still at Kentucky. Ferguson was the shining star, the crown jewel of Billy G’s 2010 recruiting class. He decommitted from UK when John Calipari took over. Calipari kept in touch with Ferguson, however, he was no longer the top target of the program. Ferguson’s recruitment was wide open, and he was courted by Duke, UCLA, Indiana, and Florida. Then, out of nowhere, FIU comes not only into the picture, but straight to the commitment. Who would expect that a guy thinking about UCLA, the program that has more national titles than any other, would chose a program that has only been to the NCAA tournament once?

According to Ferguson, he just wanted to play for Isiah Thomas. Given who he committed to last time, I’m not sure choosing a school based on the coach is something Ferguson should be doing, but I can’t imagine Thomas being anywhere near the disaster Billy G was. That isn’t saying much, of course, and with this move, Ferguson is taking a double risk. Not only is choosing to play for a completely new coach a bit of a leap, but also Ferguson lacks the safety net that is built in to playing for a basketball powerhouse.

If Ferguson’s end goal is the NBA (and I’d bet the farm that it is), he needs to be somewhere where he can garner obscene amounts of attention. Mid-major schools simply do not get the air time and attention that major programs do. If Ferguson was at Duke (an awful choice, in my mind), he’d get TV time and scout attention no matter what. At FIU, he’s going to need to work a lot harder to get those things. If I sound discouraging about playing for a mid-major, I do not mean to be, at all. Players do come out from the mid-majors and into the NBA, but the route is arguably harder than going through a school like UCLA.

This is what I get when I google Isiah Thomas

This is what I get when I google "Isiah Thomas"

This all boils down to Ferguson really putting a premium on working with Thomas. I’m not here to dig up all the dirt on Thomas, by the by. It’s pretty irrelevant when it comes to Ferguson’s future. What really matters is whether Thomas’s NBA experience and the connections it has brought him will really be helpful to Ferguson. I don’t think this is something many high school players think about or want to admit to, but most of them do need a year of playing in college or Europe or something to get them the skill set necessary for the NBA. Even in top ten players, they’re not all Lebrons. Connections are important. They can get someone pretty far, but they can’t do all the work.

I completely believe that Thomas has some pretty nice connections, some famous friends, that’ll help his players get looks. But Ferguson needs more than that. This summer has seen him slip down the rankings. While it seems that he isn’t in a freefall that might drive him to commit somewhere fast before the offers are withdrawn, it does look like he might see his stock fall a bit. It seems doubtful that he can make the jump to the NBA without working on his game.

And this is what he really looks like.

And this is what he really looks like.

And that might be why a combination of a mid-major program and a very high-profile coach might be an attractive choice. There are mid-major programs that might as well be considered major. Memphis is one good example – the whole town breathes basketball. But FIU doesn’t have that kind of fan base. Ferguson may be able to avoid the kind of pressure and fan attention that comes with programs like Kentucky and UCLA while still receiving attention from people in the business. I don’t know that his choice will convince many recruits to reject UNC-Chapel Hill for UNC-Asheville, but I can’t help but get excited about the prospect of having solid players constantly committing to mid-major programs. The only way college basketball can continue to be exciting is to have shake ups like this happen. It may be confusing, but it’s a hell of a lot better than predictability.

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  • RonArtestTableLeg

    I think you’re wrong on this one…I believe that since he’s playing for Isiah he’ll get the exposure that he needs. I have a strong feeling ESPN will make it a point to show Isiah’s team just as they dropped what they were doing to show Steph Curry’s sprained ankle. As long as he plays the way that made him a top 20 recruit, he’ll be fine. Look at guys like Jason Thompson, Paul Millsap, and Danny Granger. They all played at not just mid-majors, but mid-majors that get no attention. It’s one thing to play at Butler or Gonzaga and be on ESPN 15 times a season, but another thing to play at Rider University in a gym the size my High School gym. As long as FIU continues to play some big name teams like last year (Washington, UCLA, Miami, Georgetown, and W. KY 3 times), he’ll get the exposure. I think a perfect example of this is Patty Mills at St. Mary’s. He was basically the reason St. Mary’s was on TV like they were and most of the reason they played the teams they did. The one thing is that the WCC is a much bigger deal than the Sun Belt now, but what was Gonzaga pre-Blake Stepp and Dan Dickau? Nothing. The conference was in the same situation as the Sun Belt is now. If FIU can step up and play good ball, their games with Western Kentucky will be treated like the St. Mary’s/Gonzaga games.

    • I like dissent. It makes it more interesting.

      I don’t think you can compare Patty Mills with Ferguson. Mills played for the Australian Olympic team. He was a great athlete with a compelling back-story and that combination is media gold. Ferguson is as of yet unproven, slipping through the rankings, and playing for a coach that has no college experience and a not exactly stellar NBA track record (to clarify: I mean as a coach, not as a player). I’m not sure I’d even compare St. Mary’s and FIU.

      I want to emphasize that I don’t think that choosing a lesser known program is necessarily a bad choice, it’s just that in this case it is an incredibly surprising choice.


      • RonArtestTableLeg

        I’m not that familiar with Ferguson other than he is a very high recruit. In terms of talent i don’t think he’s anywhere near Mills, but like i said before the draft, i think Mills is better than the NBA scouts gave him credit for. Big deal, he’s short, but he can play. My main point was before Patty Mills, St. Mary’s was nothing. Before Steph Curry i doubt that many people had ever heard of Davidson (although i have, my 6th grade Basketball coach, Tim Kerns, was the best baseball to ever play there). If Isiah can get FIU the attention those two school got when they got those guys, then he’s doing what he’s supposed to do. With Davidson i’m talking more about two years ago, not the “Breaking News, Steph Curry just took a shit” kind of stuff from last year.

        On his choice. Some guys just want to go somewhere where they know their going to play, so i guess that’s why they go to a mid-major. DB came here because he knew Aaron Gray (our former starting center) had just left so he was going to start right away. I think we can all agree that this guy has a much better chance of playing sig. at FIU than somewhere with a ton of guys returning.

        • Minutes is something that probably plays a large role in this. I can see him getting significant game time at FIU – something that I am not sure would happen at the other programs he was looking at. This is a tricky balance for guys with NBA dreams. They want to have plenty of minutes to show what they can do. However, if they chose a less well-known program, they might get those minutes but not have any one actually see those games.

          I see your point with Mills and Curry, but I would still argue that St. Mary’s and Davidson had more recognition than FIU. Ferguson needs the experience of playing at the college level with a competent coach or staff to get him really NBA ready. He isn’t right now. That’s why FIU poses a dual threat: potential for low visibility and a completely unproven coach.

          But I can see where you and Notorious MOB are coming from. Given Isiah Thomas’s history, ESPN will want to follow him closely. He is a very colorful character. His successes and failures will be magnified. Hopefully for Ferguson, some of this focus will trickle down to him.


  • The Notorious MOB

    I’m with RATL on this one. (Except for the St. Mary’s point, they were also on TV alot cause there aren’t many other games on at that time.) But I think this is the kind of thing ESPN will want to keep track of. Also Isiah has already pulled of one heist, who’s to say he can’t do it again with another player and turn FIU into something relevent. As a Knicks fan I can’t stand the guy, but maybe Isiah has actually finally found his calling.

    • Yeah, I am hesitant to make any strong connection between coaching at the NBA and coaching in college, so there’s nothing to say he won’t be a success. However, the way I see it, Ferguson could have had a guaranteed attention at a place like UCLA, so his choice is a gamble.

      I don’t know what I will do if Thomas makes FIU relevant. I would be both excited and taken aback. I’d be confused by emotion.


  • lowercase

    See, Isiah has done nothing, zip, zero, the opposite of anything…to suggest that he will be the least bit competent as a college coach. FIU just doesn’t have very much to lose, and a lot to gain if they made a lucky guess- they’ve already received more press than they could have dreamed of.

    Therefore, this kid has to accept that there’s a measurable chance that Isiah will ruin his career through sheer incompetence.

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  • Hank Scorpio-Steinbrenner

    “I can’t imagine Thomas being anywhere near the disaster Billy G was.”

    You really need a major upgrade of your imagination. A complete and total overhaul of the thing.


  • The Notorious MOB

    Isiah will run his own private “try outs” for the cheerleaders in a van with Stephon Marbury and Dominique Ferguson . That might get a death penalty.

  • If Baylor didn’t get the death penalty after what happened with Bliss, I doubt Thomas can incur a death penalty single handedly. The “repeat violator” aspect of the rule makes it a bit trickier for Thomas, too.